Sinn Fein/IRA Voter Beware

Paul Quinn lourd and

Beaten to death by an IRA gang

with iron bars.

Robert Mccartney

Beaten and Murdered by an IRA gang

inside and outside a Belfast Bar.

After the beating the IRA gang took him

outside and disembowelled Robert McCartney

I wonder how all this will play out in the Irish republic.

Sinn Fein went into reverse after the parties dear leader Adams was found to have little or no grasp of even basic economics when it came to debates in the run up to the general election in the Irish republic. He refused to take questions on the IRA £25 Million withdrawal form the Northern Bank. I feel sorry for the good people of the republic, but our good fortune is their misfortune. I'm sure they are like the Protestant Unionist Loyalist population of Northern Ireland we don’t want these murdering Fascists of Paul Quinn and Robert McCartney any where near power not here and not in the Irish republic.

If Sinn Fein gain now when in the republic then when they move out of recession as they surely will the shinners will be abandoned like a pair of smelly socks. 

I don't think the Irish republics electorate are going to troop to the ballot box with the tune of “the bohys behind the wire” ringing in their ears, for the shinners for other than a protest vote. 

If the Irish electorate what to know the caliber of the shinners all they have to do is see how they have treated the McCartney sisters and the Quinn family, the families of the disappeared and to the rest of their community. They are fascists. 

They exult the lives of dead bombers and assassins and have given well paid community jobs to the bohys who have information that could help in the Robert McCartney murder. And insist in calling Paul Quinn a criminal in an attempt to blacken his name even when they know who the IRA personnel who murdered him and they still have not given up the locations of all the disappeared!

On International Woman’s Day why did Sinn Fein not give praise to the McCartney sisters, the mother of Paul Quinn and the mothers, daughters and sisters of the disappeared for their continuing brave fight in trying to expose a bunch of murdering terrorist Fascists, in their fight for justice? I’m surprise Sinn Fein have not jumped on this band wagon, after all the McCartney’s and the Quinn’s are fighting to get justice for their loved ones? 

All Sinn Fein voters be under no illusion if it happened to the McCartney’s and the Quinn’s then it could happen to a family member close to you! I have mentioned on this forum before, the only people the Sinners are interested in are the Sinners and their mates who Gerry has stated “haven’t gone away ya know”!

When are the Sinn Fein electorate going to see through these people for what they are? Sinn Fein are a collection of non entities, who if it was not for a terrorist campaign waged against all the people of Ireland, would not have well paid jobs messing with people’s lives.
It's disturbing to know the influence they have over our day to day lives. 

The Sinners have swish holiday homes and foreign holidays when most of their electorate can’t afford to pay the next bill. 

Sinn Fein/IRA voters need to be aware, as you get what you vote for?

Here is an example from the Robert McCartney murder. 

"Sinn Fein has been quietly reinstating figures who were in the bar that night and who it claimed to have expelled. 

Several now hold well-paid 'community' jobs in organisations controlled by Sinn Fein in working-class Catholic areas of Belfast". The key suspect recently given a 'development' job in the community sector is barely literate and has no qualifications, despite the fact, Catherine said, that the job requires development analysis and report writing skills.

The appointment has also angered local people whose children have gone through university and are unable to get such jobs. Despite the fact that the IRA-man has no qualifications and left school early with limited reading and writing skills, he is now earning a higher public salary than a school teacher. The man, who served a prison sentence for IRA firearms offences, was "officer commanding" of the IRA in the Markets area where the McCartney's lived.

According to witnesses he had a dispute with Robert McCartney's friend Brendan Devine and as he walked away he signalled to other IRA-men in the bar that the two were to be taken out and stabbed".

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/07/international/europe/07ireland.html


The Murder of Robert McCartney.

In the Roman Catholic neighborhoods of Belfast, the Irish Republican Army has long served as judge, jury and, in some cases, executioner, meting out its own brand of vigilante justice. Catholics who defy the I.R.A.'s dictates end up with broken kneecaps. Those who betray the I.R.A. wind up dead.But now five sisters are turning that tradition upside down, spurred by the extraordinarily brutal killing on Jan. 30 2005 of their brother, Robert McCartney, and what is widely seen as a subsequent I.R.A. cover-up.

Mr. McCartney was attacked in a crowded Belfast bar, then taken outside and beaten with iron bars. His throat was slit and his torso was slashed open with a knife. The attackers left him to bleed while they went back to the bar, scrubbed it of evidence and warned customers that the fight had been an internal I.R.A. matter.So far, the witnesses have heeded the warning from the I.R.A. men, and none have come forward.The McCartney sisters, working on instinct and grief, are demanding that the I.R.A. stop protecting the attackers - as many as 15 men, whose identities are widely known - and allow witnesses to tell the police their stories so that justice can be done.

The sisters' boldness has galvanized the community. For perhaps the first time, the I.R.A. is facing broad and vocal dissent among its own supporters.The killing and the sisters' response are creating a crisis for Sinn Fein, the I.R.A.'s political party, as well as for the I.R.A.'s rank and file and its leadership, coming as it does just weeks after the group was weakened by accusations that it was behind a Belfast bank robbery that netted $50 million.

The events have added to a disillusionment with the I.R.A. that has slowly built since the 1998 peace accords. Its members, once considered heroes in Catholic neighbourhoods for their role in the struggle against British rule, are increasingly seen as turning to Mafia-like crime and common thuggery and preying on the very community that formed the group's core of support.

The I.R.A., long nicknamed Ra, is now sometimes called the Rafia.

The firestorm over Mr. McCartney's killing has forced the I.R.A. and Sinn Fein into a corner, people in Belfast say. And pressure is building from long-time backers in Ireland and the United States. To some, the furore threatens to strip away the old veneer of "constructive ambiguity" that allowed the I.R.A and Sinn Fein to claim that their leaders had no true ties.

On Thursday, one day before the start of Sinn Fein's annual political conference, Gerry Adams, the party leader, announced that he had suspended seven party members over accusations that they were involved in the killing. A week earlier, the I.R.A. announced that it had expelled three men it believed were involved.Startlingly, Mr. Adams also said he had given the names of the seven men to a police ombudsman.

The I.R.A. and Sinn Fein had always refused relations with the police service, out of deep suspicion from the time of the Troubles, as the civil strife is known.And on Saturday, at a party conference in Dublin, Mr. Adams, appearing with the McCartney sisters, ratcheted up the pressure and urged the men to come forward. "Those responsible for the brutal killing of Robert McCartney should admit to what they did in a court of law," Mr. Adams said. "I am not letting this issue go until those who have sullied the name of the republican cause are made to account for their actions."The Irish government of Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, which had strongly supported Mr. Adams through the peace effort, has now publicly challenged Mr. Adams to admit that he is a member of the I.R.A. leadership and has said that the top leadership of Sinn Fein must have known about the Belfast robbery and probably approved it.

Sinn Fein has also lost whatever good will it had mustered with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, a sponsor of the peace effort, as well as some of its backing from Irish in the United States. Mr. Adams has cancelled fund-raising efforts in the United States, and his deputy, Martin McGuinness, will not travel to the United States this month as expected.

For its part, the White House cancelled St. Patrick's Day invitations to the leaders of Northern Ireland's political parties to avoid the embarrassment of having Sinn Fein represented. Instead, the McCartney sisters are planning a trip to the United States for St. Patrick's Day, possibly to New York and Washington.

The sisters have bluntly pressed for justice. "All of Ireland knows who the men are," Catherine McCartney, 36, a teacher, said of the attackers in an interview last week inside her sister Paula's home in Belfast. "But people know what the I.R.A. are capable of.

They butchered a man and slit his throat. I would be afraid, too.""Republicanism is not what happened to Robert," she said. "They can't call themselves republican if they did that. Certainly not murdering innocent people."Many Catholics in the McCartney’s' neighbourhood, a battle-scarred area called the Short Strand, have responded with surprising solidarity.

On the day of the funeral for Mr. McCartney, a popular 33-year-old fork lift operator with two young sons, a thousand people turned up. Graffiti denouncing the I.R.A. popped up on walls, a first in a republican neighbourhood; the markings were quickly erased, but quickly reappeared.

Small photocopied posters with Mr. McCartney's photograph appeared on shop windows. "No More Lies," one said. "Shame on Them," said another.

Last Sunday, the women held a rally in the neighbourhood. Hundreds showed up, including politicians, and several speakers expressed outrage. The sisters held placards that read, "Murdered - Who's Next?""If these men walk free from this, then everyone in Ireland should fear the consequences," Paula McCartney, 40, a Queen's University student, told the crowd, according to news reports. "Justice must be done."The police said Friday that 10 people had been arrested so far but had refused to cooperate and were released. "We need witnesses, and those witnesses need to be able to return to their own communities," said the Northern Ireland police detective superintendent, George Hamilton.The plea was indicative of the more troubled relationship that has developed between the I.R.A. and Catholics in Belfast's nationalist area since the Troubles wound down after the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement.

Many people interviewed here say they feel indebted to the I.R.A., a private army, for fighting for Catholic rights and protecting them from Protestant loyalists, like the Shankill Butchers, who tortured and killed Catholics with butchers' knives.They acknowledge being increasingly disturbed by the I.R.A.'s criminal undertakings, acts of intimidation and extortion, and punishment beatings.

Once mostly excused as necessary tools of war during the Troubles, such acts are now far harder to accept."There is a cynicism within the community," said Anthony McIntyre, who served 18 years in prison for I.R.A. activity and is now a dissident. "One reason the I.R.A. existed was to protect people from the Shankill Butchers. Now I.R.A. members are ploughing their violence in their own community."Everyone knows what happened on Jan. 30.

Witnesses have talked on the street, and people have told these stories to the sisters.Mr.

McCartney stopped for a drink with a friend at Magennis's bar in the Markets section of Belfast on that Sunday night. An I.R.A. man thought he saw Mr. McCartney make a rude gesture toward a woman in his own group in the crowded bar.

A brawl broke out, then spilled into the streets.A short while later, Mr. McCartney lay dying. His friend's throat was sliced, as well, but he survived.The attackers walked a couple of blocks back to the bar, locked it and warned the 70 people inside to keep quiet, the sisters added. "This is I.R.A. business," the sisters were told the men said. The men wiped down the bar, washing away fingerprints and blood.The next day some of them were seen in the neighbourhood, chatting with friends on street corners, as if Jan. 30 had been no different from Jan. 29, the sisters said.The message was plain. "They can murder you, clean it up, cover it up and walk away," Catherine McCartney said.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brutal-murder-revives-paramilitary-fears-in-border-bandit-country-395433.html

Brutal paramilitary murder Of Paul Quinn.A savage murder at a remote Irish border farm last week shook Northern Ireland's fledgling administration.

The family of 21-year-old Paul Quinn, battered to death, pointed the finger at the IRA, saying he had fallen foul of members of the organization after having clashes with two republicans.

Security sources say the brutal but carefully planned killing, involving at least nine men, was the work of former IRA members acting without the organization's sanction.The family's allegation of IRA responsibility was daring. After decades of IRA domination of the south Armagh-Monaghan border, most in conflict with the IRA there keep prudently silent.The accusation from the Quinn family endangered the very existence of the Stormont administration jointly headed by the Rev Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein.

Mr Paisley and his Democratic Unionist Party went into government with republicans on the strict understanding that the IRA had ended all activities. He has since publicly placed much trust in Sinn Fein.When the news of the killing broke, Mr Paisley made contact with London, Dublin and Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde. The Irish Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, also moved rapidly since the incident took place in his jurisdiction on the southern side of the border.

Both police forces were quick to say that they had no evidence that the killing had been sanctioned by the IRA. But police in the Irish Republic, in particular, made no secret of their intelligence that formerly prominent IRA personnel had killed Paul Quinn.Mr McGuinness and Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein issued strong statements condemning the killing and calling on anyone with information to help police on both sides of the border.

Their statements seemed to carry political force despite the widespread belief that in the past republicans have not told the truth about IRA violence.According to locals and security sources, Quinn had two recent brushes with republicans around the Cullyhanna area where he lived, and had been ordered to leave the district. A local teacher described him as "a bit of a wide boy, a hard man". Another described him as "a hard man, very headstrong", though his family is regarded as moderate and very respectable.Neighbours and others, however, believe that Paul Quinn was involved in illegality as a member of a gang smuggling diesel fuel across the border.

The belief is that former IRA figures in this hardline area set out last weekend to demonstrate that, while the IRA may be inactive as an organization, republicans will not tolerate "disrespect".A week last Saturday, Quinn was lured to a farm shed by a telephone call.

When he arrived he was seized by a large group of men who methodically used iron bars to beat him to a pulp. The conclusion of the post-mortem examination was that he died of "blunt force trauma", suffering a broken arm and leg with internal injuries to his brain and lungs.The gang did not kill him at the scene, and when police arrived he was both conscious and lucid. The south Armagh tradition of "omerta" is so strong that he refused to tell police who had assaulted him.

He died later that evening in hospital. While opinions vary locally on whether the gang intended to kill him or not, the scale of his multiple injuries suggests they did not particularly care whether he lived or died.Mr Adams said: "The people involved are criminals. They need to be brought to justice and it is fairly obvious to me that this is linked to fuel smuggling and to criminal activity. There's no republican involvement whatsoever in this man's murder.

"The killing is a disturbing development when paramilitary activities had fast been declining in south Armagh, an area that a British minister once christened "bandit country". Recent violent events demonstrate that the bandits have not gone away.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-execution-how-an-ira-man-turned-british-spy-met-his-brutal-end-472848.html


The Execution:

How an IRA man turned British spy met his brutal end

The long arm of republican vengeance reached inside a remote Irish mountain cottage yesterday and took the life of Denis Donaldson, the former IRA and Sinn Fein member who was recently unmasked as a police agent.

One or more assassins cornered the 56-year-old republican, gunning him down in the primitive ramshackle cottage where he had hidden himself away from the world. There were unconfirmed reports last night that his body had been mutilated.The cottage is in the Blue Stack Mountains near the Donegal village of Glenties, a rugged and sparsely populated area.

It seemed he felt safe there, even though last month his presence was publicised. But the republican tradition of carrying out what are called "executions" of known informers has evidently not faded with the general rundown of the IRA campaign.

There is no mystery about why he was killed, since the IRA makes no secret of its hatred and contempt for informers and agents in its ranks. Republican organisations have killed many over the centuries, including scores in recent decades. But the question is exactly who killed him and

whether his assassination was sanctioned by the IRA leadership.

The answer will determine the immediate political future of Northern Ireland.The killing sent major tremors coursing through the Irish peace process, since if the IRA is judged to have been responsible this phase of the process will come to a halt. The IRA declared last night that it had "no involvement whatsoever" in the killing, an assertion which will now be thoroughly tested by police on both sides of the border.Tony Blair and the Irish Prime Minister, Bertie Ahern, are due in Armagh in Northern Ireland tomorrow to launch a new initiative aimed at restoring the Northern Ireland Assembly and eventually putting together a coalition to include Sinn Fein and Unionists.

But, if the IRA is shown to be responsible, the ambition of the British and Irish governments to put together a new cross-community government will be in ruins, as Unionists will refuse to share power with Sinn Fein.Certainly the Rev Ian Paisley, leader of the Democratic Unionists, will be making no conciliatory move until the question of the Donaldson killing has been answered. He expressed scepticism at the IRA denial and said the killing could hinder progress.

"This has put a dark cloud over those talks," he said. "If this man has been murdered because of his connection with IRA/Sinn Fein and because of the past happenings, then it strikes a blow at what the two governments are trying to do - to say that the IRA has forsaken these ways and they are seeking peace."Donaldson, who was 56, was found by Irish police who broke down the door and found his body at about 5pm yesterday.

He had gone into hiding in December after being exposed as a security force agent, admitting he had worked for Special Branch for 20 years. He was interrogated by Sinn Fein activists and then apparently told he was free to go. The Sinn Fein president, Gerry Adams, who said at the time that Donaldson had not been under threat from the republican movement, condemned the killing.Last month Donaldson was tracked down by the Sunday World to a Donegal cottage.

The cottage, which was described as being barely habitable, with no electricity or running water, was pictured in its issue of 19 March. Donaldson, who looked thin and dishevelled, told the paper in an interview: "How did you find this place? You don't see much of anyone here, not even the gardai. They've been up and down past there but they never came in.

I'm not hiding, I just want to be left alone. I don't go anywhere. I don't want to be in touch with anyone. As you can see, I'm in the middle of nowhere."As months have gone by since his unmasking, the assumption has grown that the IRA had decided not to move against him.

Many in its ranks harboured feelings of betrayal and hatred but everyone knew that his assassination would set back, probably for years, Sinn Fein's hopes of getting back into government.The possibilities also exist that he was killed by individual members or ex-members of the IRA, or by a breakaway republican dissident group.In recent years Donaldson had been an important apparatchik within Sinn Fein, but he was previously a senior member of the IRA in Belfast for many years.

Some of those he served with in the IRA may hold him personally responsible for the jailing of IRA members or even for the deaths of people at the hands of the security forces.The journalist Hugh Jordan, who found Donaldson in Donegal, said last night that he did not think the informer believed his life was in danger.

He said: "He looked like a hunted animal. He was extremely depressed. The nerves in his eyes were trembling. He seemed like a man who didn't think he would come to any harm. He did not see his life to be in any danger, but felt the only future he had was where he was, living in that dreadfully squalid situation. It's desperate that something like this happened. He was alone and threatened no one. He was no harm to anybody.

"Three years ago another security forces agent, Freddie Scappaticci, was unmasked within the IRA in Belfast but he was allowed to go free. He is thought to have moved to Italy.Donaldson appears to have felt that he too could escape death at the hands of the IRA or individual republicans. Certainly he stayed on at his cottage even after its location became public knowledge, a sign that he judged himself safe.

But it was a misjudgement, and one that cost him his life.A dangerous life4 October 2002 Ex-IRA volunteer Denis Donaldson, Sinn Fein's head of administration at Stormont, and two others arrested and accused of spying for Sinn Fein.

Unionists threaten to withdraw from executive, forcing British to suspend devolution.8 December 2005 Charges of spying against the three dropped "in the public interest".16 December 2005 Donaldson expelled from Sinn Fein after admitting he has been a paid British agent for two decades, though he denies spying at Stormont.

He flees Belfast. Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams denies he is under threat from republicans.19 March 2006 Donaldson tracked down by Sunday World journalist Hugh Jordan to a rundown cottage near Glenties, Co Donegal. He says he was sacrificed in a failed attempt by the security services to preserve the career of the Ulster Unionist leader David Trimble.4 April 2006 Donaldson found shot dead at his cottage, with police sources saying his hand has been severed. IRA denies involvement, but political furore erupts.