psni child informers

I would like to make my community aware of an official psni policing policy below.

It is an official operational policing policy endorsed by Judith Gillespie of the psni and no doubt by the pompous republican biased Will Kerr and the equally pompous republican biased Matt Baggott.

"In September 2006 it was confirmed that Assistant Chief Constable Judith Gillespie approved the PSNI policy of using children as informants including in exceptional circumstances to inform on their own family but not their parents. The document added safeguards included having a parent or "appropriate adult" present at meetings between juveniles and their handler. It also stressed a child's welfare should be paramount when considering the controversial tactics and required that any risk had been properly explained to them and a risk assessment completed".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Service_of_Northern_Ireland

I would like to know if the psni let the community groupings they are meeting, in Matt Baggotts community policing boards, that they are grooming or operating child informers in their area?

I find it interesting that Will Kerr has been giving a lot of his media time to the fact that children are involved in street disturbances. However I find it equally interesting to note that he has no problem in grooming and using children as street informers.

Maybe he can tell us what is the difference in him and the psni grooming and using children, and the children getting themselves involved in disturbances. I see it as the most obvious case of hypocrisy you will ever see.

And maybe the psni can tell us who or what is an "appropriate adult" when questioning child informers??? Is the use of children as informers a way of using the children to leaver influence on the child's parents or guardian to become informers???

I put it to will Kerr that the throwing stones is wrong, however the psni grooming and using children as informers is abhorrent.

The grooming and use of child informers by the psni are the type of activities that Human Rights groups, NGO's and democratic governments would criticize despot regimes off. The psni grooming running child informers is reminiscent of the Stasi in communist east Germany and despot fundamentalist regimes of Africa and the middle and far east. Not a so called democratic society.

The psni have no problems or issues with grooming and using our children as informers. But have they really considered the coast to the children their parents or relatives and community relations if the children are found to be informers.

They are obviously not concerned for the children's welfare by putting them in the front line of intelligence gathering.

The reason for this post is that I have been made aware of the increasing reports of the rising numbers of our children being stopped by the psni.
If any of our children or young people are being groomed as informers by the psni this is a very serious matter and needs to be taken to the highest levels of national government.

The next question I have are the psni stopping these children lawfully. Or are they putting undue pressure, "grooming" the children they stop in an attempt to recruit more of our children into their informer and intelligence gathering rings???

It surely can't be coincidental that the psni are stopping more and more of our children, the psni officers on the ground are not doing these things in isolation, they have obviously been ordered by the psni hierarchy to go out and intimidate our children by stopping and interrogating them and then groom them for their informer rings. We need to know if out children and young people are being pressured, groomed and recruited as psni informers???

Not that when questioned by our community that we would get an honest or straight answer from the psni. The psni are more into spin and the dark arts of demonizing our community, grooming and running child informers than dispensing policing evenhandedly.

Our politicians need to ask some serious questions of Baggott, Kerr and Gillespie and tell them they need to stop intimidating and grooming the children of our community. If they have evidence of wrong doing then arrest them, but the psni need to stop the blunt policy of stopping children and young people as it is wrecking what little community relations there are left. And added to this the possibility of the psni grooming and recruiting children as informers with their increasing non accountable psni stops.

If as we are being told by the establishment, that we are becoming a normal society, why is there a need for child to used by the psni as an informer???

It must surely be a breach of the child's Human Rights to be used as a psni informer, hardly community or human rights based policing that Baggott, Kerr and Gillespie keep telling us.

Unionist and Loyal Order Leadership

First and foremost Unionist politicos and Belfast County Grand Lodge need to give better leadership. Unionist politicos are under the delusion that the shinners/provos war is over, they are such naive fools. As for the BCGL they are stuck in the 19th century when we need them to be looking to the future, a future that if they were up to it, could be bright, beautiful and Orange.

There is no point in going over the ashes as to why the shinners/provos called a secession to their terror. We all know they were losing the conflict. More and more of their expert personnel were getting older with less of a belly for the fight, added to the fact that they were infiltrated from the lowest provo to the most senior shinner by Special Branch and MI5. So the only sensible option was to grasp the SDLP olive branch that gives them a face saving way out of their terror.

After moving into this new phase it should not be forgotten that just like the DUP the shinners/provos were not fully committed to the peace arrangements. They still had to see how the republican masses would react. In the end they bought into the process but with an agenda of not working the agreements but to undermine the system from within, and the bonus was that they could do this and get paid by the British to administer British rule, very badly I may add. I think we can all say without fear of contradiction that the shinners/provos are doing a first class shoddy job at administrating British rule in Northern Ireland. The strategy that they are using is to divide and rule.

I must stress again that we should be under no illusion the shinners/provos are waging a war, and it’s a good war, it’s a war on several fronts. It’s war on the streets, it’s a war at Stormont, it’s a class war and it’s a propaganda war.

One of the main aims of this war is to further divide the PUL community along class lines by using parading and schooling. And I have to say they are doing a first class job of it, by using all the complex fronts above as a single strategy.

Unionist politicos are giving the impression that now that we have the Stormont assembly, the Good Friday agreement and the St Andrews agreement, and several polls that say a sizeable majority wish to stay within the UK, we are safe. These polls maybe factually correct, however the facts being played out on the ground and on our TV’s and radios day in and day out is very different.

The reality is that nothing has changed the republican/nationalist sectarian war is on-going and intensifying. On the 12^th night Gerry Kelly in a TV interview claimed that a stretch of the Crumlin road is now exclusively romanist and therefore de facto republican, in essence a no go area for the Protestant Unionist Loyalist community.

This claim rather than being rebutted is being given a hint of legitimacy by the parades commission determinations and how the psni police the area or not as the case maybe, along with its shinner/provo politicos.

Here is where the war is being won and lost, republicans have taken on board the situation on the street and in the polls and have now moved their politics and strategy to their phase to use the weapons of parades and class to further alienate working class and middle class Unionists. They are back onto the streets but not in the mass civil disturbances of the 60’s and 70’s, but in a subtle and cunning way and drawing in reactionary Unionist Orange thinking, and they are using the psni, parades commission and residents groups as the spearhead in their war against the PUL community, all very clever stuff.

Unionists and the Orange Order need to wake up and start smelling the rotting smell of decay that is coming from the psni, the parades commission and the shinners/provos. They all need to be seen as the enemies’ weapons and we must take nothing they say as genuine or binding. 

We need to start using the system to defeat the system, why did BCGL not take this irrational decision on the 12^th to the courts??? At every turn republicans use the system and the courts!!! Why can’t we???

Is it, it would cost too much??? Well what cost the Union!!! Why can’t they have a list of people who are eligible for legal aid and get them to take the issues to the courts, republicans do it all over Northern Ireland, why can’t we???

The shinners/provos have got the psni and the parades commission eating out of their hands. But more importantly they have the media gorging at the table of propaganda. With Ardoyne and Donegall Street and every other contrived flash point they have the media headline grabbers there waiting for the least indiscretion so it’s the next day’s headline. And with every flash point and bad headline we lose more and more support especially middle class support.

Not that the middle classes don’t have their problems to with the shinners/provos, in the scraping of the 11+ and the inevitable scrapping of grammar schools.

Each issue in their PUL class war is being portrayed by the shinners/provos as mutually exclusive. We won’t help the middle classes because the shinners/provos have turned us against them, and they are turning their backs on us because of the parade disturbances and the lack of support the working class give to the grammar school system.

We don’t support the Unionist middle classes and they won’t support us, very cleaver stuff.

The shinners/provos have made us into pariahs for the Unionist middle classes, with contrived continuous parades, bonfires, the blue bag brigade and irrational parades commission determinations and media performances. And when you throw into the mix the shinners/provos demonization of working class poor education attainment you have the perfect storm. 

Every education minister in the assembly has been a shinner/provo. First there was Martin McGuinness, then Caitriona Ruane now John O’Dowd. During this time they have been emphasising the poor education attainment of our children especially the children from working class PUL communities in inner cities. 

This is their main wepon to ensure that the middle classes will never back the working classes, as they will not want to be dragged into a comprehensive education system.

As for the working classes they have been told by the shinners that the grammar school system is elitist and if you fail the 11+ you are now irrelevant and a failure.

After 15 years of shinner/provo education ministers, it is an indictment on their miss handling of the portfolio that we still have these poor education attainment figures in working class schools. Why are there no hard questions being asked of the shinners/provos and their track record. 15 years is a whole school generation and we are no better off today than we were before they took the job. 

 

But I suspect that was all part of their strategy. 

Unless all sections of the PUL community come together we are a lost cause, and until the Unionist politicos especially Peter Robinson, wakes up and starts smelling the feces that we are wadding in, we will be drowning in it and I fear that day is not that far off.

A classic example of this can be found on the Saturday after the 12^th, Martin McGuinness was in Ardoyne to listen to the republicans.

Where was the leader of Unionism Peter Robinson??? Is he so aloof being first minister that he does not feel the need to meet the working class PUL community on the ground and in their heart lands? Is he saying we are not important enough for the first minister to visit? Does Robinson know where the Shankill, Twaddell Avenue, Woodvale, Crumlin or Ballysillan is? I suppose if he is never seen on the ground in his own constituency of East Belfast and where he lives. There is little or no chance he is ever going to make his way to North Belfast to meet the people he says he leads???

Peter Robinson is not the leader that Unionism needs, and the DUP shenanigans at Stormont are an embarrassment, as for the Orange Order, it’s heading for irrelevance. And I say that with a heavy heart as a former member who left it in exasperation; however I still have the best interests of the Order at heart.

Let me relate a story told to me recently by a colleague. Paisley, had talks with the Tories prior to the signing of the St Andrews agreement. Paisley was aware that Cameron was most likely to win at the next election. However if there was a tight election result the Tories wanted to know if they could rely on DUP help if they needed their votes if there was a small Tory majority.

Paisley aware of Cameron’s willingness to bring in radical policies, asked if they form a government at Stormont would they be able to block homosexual marriage and abortion. Cameron gave those assurances. Weeks later we had a Stormont assembly.

Paisley and the DUP put their own narrow theological religious interests before the greater good of the PUL community. We now have a Stormont assembly working to a shinner and DUP political and theological agendas, not an assembly working for or in the best interests of the majority, but for and to the narrow agenda of the two main parties.

The DUP would rather destroy any Unionist opposition than respect their alternative views and form alliances to defeat the real enemy. However we need only look at their arrogance over the Red Sky debacle and on the Maze issue, to see there destructive mind set.

As for the Orange Order I have contacted them with my concerns and ideas over the years, and they are totally ignored. If they were doing a good job you could understand them ignoring my communications. But the reality is they seem to be rudderless and floundering around with the shinners/provos pulling the strings.

You would think that they would be open to ideas from the PUL community that could assist in getting parades and Organism marching. With a better press, and getting the institution opened to a wider section of the PUL community. 

However they seem to be still living in the 19th century let alone the 21st century. They like the Unionist parties are reactionary and not proactive. We are not media savvy, this lets the republican hoards run rings around them, and with their allies in the media we look prehistoric and obstinate.

The Loyal Orders are by far their own worst enemy, they need to review their future strategy and reflect on where they want to be, not in the next few weeks but in decades ahead. And that goes for the DUP, UUP and the other Unionist parties, but that takes strategic thinking and to be honest I don’t see any. As for the Crumlin road I don’t see them getting back up the road unless they have meaning full talks with republicans. We need to be more confident of our position and go into talks, after all if we talk they can’t put any more restrictions on other than totally ban the parade and the republicans have said in media interviews that they don’t want to stop the parade just respect. Well we should take them up on that challenge and what would we lose? But that needs leadership and do we have a walking, talking, thinking, leader?

After the parades commission gave the determination for the Crumlin road, no return parade. Did they work on the premise that if there is no home parade no one would want to use the Crumlin road to access the greater Ardoyne or Ballysillan???

Gerry Kelly described the area as a 100% catholic in a TV interview on the 12^th night, he also said (I Para phrase) “that they will not be walking up this road”.

All fine and dandy Gerry, the implication being that men, women and children from the PUL who live locally can’t use this road, and they need Gerry’s or the shinners permission to use or make their way home along the Crumlin road???

If there is no parade the Orange Order and the Unionist need to get the psni to give assurances that those who wish to use or go to their homes in the greater Ardoyne and Ballysillan areas along the Crumlin road, who are on foot will be facilitated. If they refuse take them to court.

The parades commission and psni can’t demand that they all return home by 8pm, as they are private individuals going about their lawful business.

As for Kelly, I would suggest that Gerry Kelly’s rhetoric needs to be challenged as he stated that, that part of the Crumlin road is now the de facto, “independent Irish catholic republic of Ardoyne”.

All this has come as news to me as I use this area on an almost daily basis. Is this the shared space and future Kelly and the shinners keep telling me about??? I get the impression that when there is a catholic or nationalist/republican majority the shinners and local populous turn into a mirror image of the things they are charging Unionists and the Orange Order off. Strange how things go around.

Do I now need to ask Gerry’s or the shinners permission to access the area???

I find what Kelly said offensive as I’m sure will those from the PUL community who live and work around this area, and those who want to go home via the Crumlin road on the 12th night or any other time of the year for that matter.

Maybe I should put in a Gerry or shinner 11/1916 to get a determination to see if I can use the Crumlin road???

For Gerry in his, independent Irish catholic republic of Ardoyne. Here is an insight into my use of the now, independent Irish catholic republic of Ardoyne, I go to the car wash, I go to the Credit Union, I go to the library, I go to the chemist and shops, and go up and down the Ardoyne and Crumlin road on an almost daily basis.

Memo to self must Gerry’s say so if I want to use the car wash, credit union, library, chemist and shops. Must now carry passport to check in at border control when wishing to enter the, independent Irish catholic republic of Ardoyne, on my way to and from home. As this new statelet is not part of the EU yet and as such there is no open border policy yet.

Lastly and more importantly, Kelly is playing to another gallery; he has an electorate to win back and to play up to. GARC have been giving the shinners a hard time in the “independent Irish catholic republic of Ardoyne” and Kelly and the shinners need to win back some credibility.

At every flash point Unionist politicos both MLA’s and MP’s should be there videoing the goings on of republicans and the psni. There should be a dedicated Orange Order or Unionist facebook and youtube page, just like the shinners have. And I should be specifically dedicated to propaganda, where eyewitness can give their testimony to counter republican propaganda. As for the Orange Order if they call people to protest they need to be there on the front line, not at the Park Avenue hotel wining and dining.

RANGER 1640

Parades

Now that the BBC, Belfast Telegraph, the Irish News, Sinn Fein, the (shinners lite) SDLP, the irrational and discredited parades commission, the Roman Catholic church, the PSNI and Uncle Tom Cobley, have all vented their spleen at the Loyal Orders and the Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist community over an alleged sectarian incident out side an closed empty building.

We now have the absurd situation of Sinn Fein lecturing the Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist community about upholding the law and accepting parades commission's biased determinations. What a strange old world this is.

At this point I would urge everyone in the PUL community, to video and monitor every republican parade more closely. I would also urge the PUL community to scan the parades commission website for republican parades and if they pass or come close to a, Protestant church, Mission Hall, War Memorial, Cemetery, Orange Hall/Loyal Order Hall, school or close to a PUL area etc, we should put in an objection to the parades commission.

We should ensure that no republican band is glorifying terrorism with its name displays of weapons on bass drums and or banners. They must have the name of the band on both sides of the bass drum and no signs of weaponry, and they must not have uniforms that resemble paramilitary uniforms, and no covering of faces with scarves.

We must ensure that no republican parade has weapons, even if they are allegedly legally held replica weapons. We should demand that weapons are banned from the parade irrespective of their use in alleged republican street theatre. No republican banner must depict terrorists with or without weapons.

All the above is part of the parades commission code of conduct.

Now the main point of the post, we should ask the Roman Catholic church to clarify their position on the use of Roman Catholic church property for political demonstrations, terrorist commemorations and parades? 

With specific reference to the hunger strike parades and rallies, Easter rising parades, political rallies by Sinn Fein/IRA, the INLA and all the other republican terror and para political groupings.

As the Roman Catholic church has not halted any of these political demonstrations, terrorist commemorations and parades. We can only conclude that they must approve the use of their properties for these activities by these groupings? At no time do I ever recall the Roman Catholic Church coming out and stating that they were banning these groupings or activities from their property.

Lets remind ourselves of what these groupings and activities are like. There are people dressed in paramilitary uniforms, there are political speeches , there are republican bands named after terrorists playing sectarian music, there are banners and photographs depicting republican terrorists, there are people holding alleged decommissioned weapons and there are republican terrorist memorials all on or taking place at or on Roman Catholic church property.

Does the Roman Catholic primate of Ireland Sean Brady sanction this use personally or does he delegate this responsibility down to his bishops and do they section the use of their property for these events???

Do they also approve the use of their church buildings for republican bands to practice in? Republican bands that are named after republican terrorists???

Will they clarify their position on the use of Roman Catholic church property with the displays and activities mentioned above? Will they confirm if they regard these activities as non-sectarian and not glorifying terrorism? And do they consider these activities, fit and proper activities to take place on Roman Catholic church property and do they perceive these activities as nonsectarian and not anti Protestant Unionist and Loyalist???

We should also remember that Easter and Easter Sunday is the most important celebration in the Christian calendar. It is the time when the Lord Jesus died so we might be saved, it is a time of peace and forgiveness. Yet all over the island of Ireland the Roman Catholic church allows its property to be used for sectarian terrorist glorification and political rabble rousing.

All of which does not fit in with the Easter message or the church of Rome's alleged ethos of peace, forgiveness and sanctity of life!!!

  

If and when we get these answers we can then watch the BBC, the Belfast Telegraph, the Irish News, Sinn Fein, the (shinners lite) SDLP, the irrational parades commission, the Roman Catholic church, the PSNI and Uncle Tom Cobley. Dance on pinheads condoning the acts above.

We should also ensure the media are reminded of these activities at every opportunity.

We need these question asked of the Roman Catholic Church .

Would the much acclaimed alleged religion of peace the Roman Catholic Church, specifically the Roman Catholic Bishop of the Diocese of Down and Connor Noel Treanor. The same diocese which St Patrick's church in Donegall Street belongs to. The same church which was at the center of a claim of sectarian offence, which was allegedly perpetrated when, and there is no disputing this fact the chapel was closed and empty and no service was taking place and the priest was out of the country?
Do they condone the use of Milltown cemetery for the activities mentioned above.

Does Sean Brady the Roman Catholic primate of Ireland or Bishop of Down and Connor Noel Treanor or his trustees give his or their permission for the use of Miltown cemetery for terrorist veneration and glorification and sectarian political rallies?

With that permission we can only then assume that Sean Brady, Noel Treanor and the trustees of Milltown, approve and condone the use of Roman Catholic Church property for acts of sectarian paramilitary displays, terrorist glorification, terrorist memorials and political speeches?

Can they confirm if they think that Roman Catholic Church property the correct and a fitting place for memorials to IRA/INLA and other Irish republican terrorists? Memorials that glorify the murderous acts of sectarian Irish republican terrorists, who murdered not only Protestants but their fellow Roman Catholics???

Do Sean Brady and Connor Noel Treanor condone the use of Miltown cemetery as a fitting place for political parties namely Sinn Fein and other Irish republican para-political groupings that are aligned to Irish republican terrorist organizations to hold political rallies???

Do Sinn Fein feel this is an appropriate use of Roman Catholic Church property and do Sinn Fein consider their actions in Miltown cemetery and all other Roman Catholic Church property that is similarly used for the glorification of sectarian Irish republican terrorist killers throughout Northern Ireland and the RoI as non-offensive??? As non offensive say as playing outside an empty chapel perhaps???

We ask all these question because Miltown cemetery is owned and administrated by the Roman Catholic dioceses of Down and Connor???

http://www.downandconnor.org/blog/2012/03/22/22-march-2012-statement-trustees-milltown-cemetery/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtt6Or_y1sY&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N1tJWOZqkQ&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GmOUkIPQ1Q&feature=related

We would further like to ask the Roman Catholic Bishop of Derry to confirm if he approves and condones the use of Roman Catholic Church property for Irish republican bands to practice in? In particular Irish republican bands named after Irish republican sectarian murdering terrorists. The republican band in this instance is the Kevin Lynch memorial flute band, named in honour of an INLA terrorist, and prisoner who committed suicide while in prison.

Kevin Lynch’s terrorist group the INLA were responsible for the Darkly massacre. A gang of INLA sectarian murdering terrorist burst into a small isolated Protestant Mission Hall near the border. And as the congregation of God Fearing defenceless men, women and children were singing hymns. They indiscriminately shot into the congregation. Killing three of the congregation and injuring many more.

http://www.victims.org.uk/darkley.html

http://www.victims.org.uk/darkleytestimony.html

This INLA branded republican band uses St. Canice's Church Hall, Dungiven. Again we must ask is this an appropriate venue for the INLA terrorist supporting republican band to practice their sectarian, anti-Unionist, Protestant, Loyalist music and ethos. And does the Roman Catholic church consider this a non-sectarian and non-offensive use of their Roman Catholic church buildings???

http://www.freewebs.com/kevinlynchmfb/jointheband.htm

Here is a sectarian if not illegal part of the INLA Kevin Lynch bands website. It asks the visitor which Irish republican paramilitary grouping would you join??? The IRA, INLA, CIRA or the RIRA. All of these terrorist organisations have carried out many sectarian murders of Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist men, women and children.

http://polls.freewebs.com/Members/Polls/viewPollResults.jsp?pollID=1549291&userID=10735783

http://www.freewebs.com/kevinlynchmfb/yourarmychoice.htm

If the Roman Catholic Church is consistent in it’s condemnation and revulsion at all displays of sectarianism then surely the Roman Catholic authorities must act with immediate effect to remove any and all displays and stop the use of their property for sectarian purposes. These must include all Irish republican parades be they paramilitary or political that assemble at or raily at any Roman Catholic church property.

We have seen Roman Catholic Church property used on many occasions as the assembly or finishing point for republican marchers. Where men and women in paramilitary style uniforms, some with their faces covered and wearing dark glasses (in effect hiding their identity) and others who are carrying weapons.

Has the Roman Catholic Church ever considered that the Protestant, Unionist Loyalist community would not find these sectarian paramilitary terrorist displays and activities on Roman Catholic Church property as anything other than sectarian and offensive? The same offence they allegedly took at a band playing allegedly offensive tunes outside one of their closed and empty chapels.

Offence is not the exclusive preserve of Roman Catholic’s, republicans or nationalists. Do we as the Protestant Unionist and Loyalist community not deserve the same respect from the Roman Catholic authorities that they are demanding of the Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist and Loyal Order community???

In the video below members of the republican Sinn Fein, can be seen marching around Dublin in full view of the Irish police the Garda, in paramilitary uniforms with masks and dark classes, in an attempt to hide their identities. I would suggest that if this was a Loyal Order march or a Loyalist march in the republic of Ireland the Garda would be straight in and arrested those taking part. But as this is a republican march they are apparently given the republics approval by the inaction of the republics police force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDvd2ToiICI&feature=related

Off the wall thinking!!!

I have been traveling along the Falls road these last few days and it struck me that there are several chapels St Pauls at the corner of Cavendish Street and the Falls, and further up the Falls St John’s, opposite the City Cemetery.

I then thought to myself do republican bands who pass these and other chapels and cemeteries and who use other Roman Catholic owned and consecrated properties. Are they required to play Hymns?

We have been told that Roman Catholic chapels and property have a special place in terms of respect because of the sacraments contained therein and their cemeteries are consecrated or holy ground. This special place status does not extend to Protestant churches?

Therefore if it is correct that only loyalist bands are required to play Hymns when passing such places is this not discriminatory? Shouldn't republican bands be required to play Hymns outside Roman Catholic chapels and on their property? After all republican tunes about IRA terrorist activities should be as abhorrent to the Roman Catholic church as the alleged famine song? After all it’s about RESPECT!!!

I was always told that respect was something that must be earned. Respect is a funny thing these days; we have a Roman Catholic priest, his congregation and Sinn Fein politicos demanding respect for their chapels.

Yet the same diocese that these chapels belongs to, has allowed its property to be used for many years and several times a year for all the differing types of IRA and Irish republican groups, to hold terrorist displays, commemorations and republican political rabble-rousing.

Strange thing to demand respect from one community for playing tunes outside one of your closed and empty chapels. Yet that very same churches hierarchy go out of their way to disrespect the other community by allowing their owned and administrated property to be used for terrorist displays, commemorations and political speeches.

Strange thing respect; I seem to remember a bible story, about “first taking the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”!

And then there’s a quote by George Herbert, “Whose house is of glass must not throw stones at another”!

Strange religion the religion of Rome they are quick to take offence from others yet not so quick to recognize their offence to others, log and speck in a glass house comes to mind!!!!

Isn't that right Sean Brady and Noel Treanor!!!